VOX POPULI: A CONSERVATIVE LOOKS AT PALIN V CLINTON IN 2016


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In my travels I hear quite a bit about low information voters. There seem to be quite a bit of people who become low information voters because once the boxes that appeal to them have been ticked, they cease to listen to anything that deviates from their beliefs. This can happen on both sides of the political divide in America today. I have seen this recently, meaning over the past six years more on the Right than the Left.

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A recent post at Breitbart.com can act as a clear illustration of this premise. Sarah Palin’s facebook post about celebrating Freedom and not Government was met with harsh criticism from the Left which provoked harsh responses from the Right. As much as this was expected, I was surprised when a commenter tried to compare and contrast the stands that Palin takes vice what he feels as a conservative what Obama/Clinton stand for politically:

2016 Presidential Election

Gov. Sarah Palin:
1. conservative
2. loving God
3. loving founding fathers
4. saving unborn babies
5. supporting traditional marriage, morality, responsibility
6. defender of U.S. Constitution
7. less government control and regulations and more individual’s freedom/liberty
8. low taxes/letting people keep more of what they earned
9. energy INDEPENDENT/drilling and fracking for more gas and oil to create jobs
10. reducing debts for future generations
11. cutting irresponsible spendings
12. free market capitalism/
no crony capitalism
13. no coporate welfare/foodstamps/bailouts
14. helping the helpless, not the clueless
15. no rewarding bad behaviors
16. SAVING America from bankruptcy
17. RESTORING America’s greatness
.

Obama/Clinton (2 faces of the same coin):
1. liberal/progressive
2. hating God
3. hating founding fathers
4. agreeing with China on killing unborn babies
5. supporting gay/lesbian (i.e. uncle/aunt and nephew/niece, 2 brothers,
2 sisters, …), immorality, irresponsiblity
5. supporting immorality, irresponsiblity, gay/lesbian marriage between 2
individuals (i.e. a man and a woman, 2 men, 2 women, uncle/aunt and nephew/niece,
2 brothers, 2 sisters, …)
6. attacker of U.S. Constitution
7. more government control/regulations and less individual’s freedom/liberty
8. high taxes/ripping off people
9. energy dependent/man caused global warming or climate chaos
10. more debts for future generations
11. more irresponsible spendings
12. socialism/
communism/
crony capitalism
13. more coporate welfare/foodstamps/bailouts
14. getting the clueless/useful idiots become addicted to free stuffs/entitlement programs
15. rewarding bad behaviors/illegal immigrants (undocumented democrats),
DESERTER/TRAITOR Bowe Bergdahl, … etc.
16. BANKRUPTING America
17. TRANSFORMING America into some socialist utopia

For the purpose of clarity I feel it is my duty to point out the fallacies and misinformation in this list. The poster has clearly placed his/her own beliefs into what he feels a proper candidate for President should hold as values when in fact none of these are true factors in what makes someone suitable to hold the highest elected office in America. Once again, a conservative is trying to use “shaming” and the fear of ostracism by not being accepted by a group he feels is the majority to elevate an unqualified person to a state of qualification.

1. Conservative v Liberal/Progressive

Ms Palin is a conservative but in opinion she is more of TEA Party conservative than an establishment one. Ms Clinton is a pragmatist who has a more centrist political view that most political scientists would call “progressive.”

2. loving God v. hating God

I would begin with the question which God? Or even better whose God? The commenter being a conservative clearly means the Christian God as to the bulk of American conservatives this is one true god. Unfortunately for conservatives, there is no religious test for being President of the United States. Having a president that shares their religious beliefs and values might give those voters on the right a warm fuzzy but it isn’t a constitutional requirement. Equally, I see no proof from Ms Clinton’s actions as Secretary of State that she hates the Christian God or that President Obama hates the Christian God. These people are politicians not students at a theological school running for recording secretary. Religion does not matter in this debate because people can have no religion and be ethical moral people and people who wear their religion on their chests can act in terribly immoral and unethical ways.

3. Loving the founding fathers v hating the founding fathers.

I have a very big problem with the use of the word hate here but it does serve a purpose. The reference to the founding fathers of America is a dog whistle of code of white male conservatives. It means Hillary is bringing feminine power that will make white conservative men obeisant to her authority; an authority that terrifies men who have had it their way since the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Second it is more code to the disrespect white conservative men feel at having to acknowledge a person of color as their Chief Executive. As much as it causes eye rolling on the Right the bigotry on the Right regarding America’s first black president has been a torrent of disrespect as has never been seen in American politics. Of course, to say this it becomes clear that Palin as a candidate will bow to male hegemony and respect and protect white male conservative unearned privilege.

4. saving unborn babies v agreeing with China on killing unborn babies

As I have written many times the abortion debate is less about sex and more about demographics. For decades the fear that their would become a balance between the majority white American population and the minority population has fueled the anti-abortion movement. Sure there are a small percentage of people from the minority camp that see this as a moral issue but the bulk of the anti-abortion power brokers are in this fight not for God but for votes. If the numbers of white women in the south and Midwest having abortions dwindled to near zero many of the people who pour billions into the anti-abortion crusade would spent their political capital elsewhere. It really doesn’t matter what a President palin thinks about unborn babies what really matters is that Roe v Wade is settled case law.

5. Supporting traditional marriage, morality and responsibility v supporting gay/lesbian (i.e. uncle/aunt and nephew/niece, 2 brothers,
2 sisters, …), immorality, irresponsiblity [sic] supporting immorality, irresponsiblity [sic], gay/lesbian marriage between 2 individuals (i.e. a man and a woman, 2 men, 2 women, uncle/aunt and nephew/niece, 2 brothers, 2 sisters, …)

Since I don’t have the time nor the desire to write a multichapter several hundred page work of non fiction on this topic I will distill my comments to a few sentences. Traditional marriage one hundred years ago, in 1914, meant in several states that only a man and a woman of the same race could marry and that the woman had no property rights within that marriage. Just over fifty years later traditional marriage had changed to allow men and women of different races to marry, something that would have caused a firestorm of controversy in 1914 much like the controversy in America surrounding same sex marriage in 2014. The comment attempts, poorly, to conflate two men or two women marrying with incest which is illegal in every state in the Union. Despite a federal ruling, 12 states still have anti-sodomy laws on the books making sex between those of the same gender illegal and oral and anal sex among married couples illegal as well. I don’t know of a single advocate for same sex marriage who wants siblings to be able to marry each other or parents to be able to marry children. This line of thinking is horribly fallacious.

6. Defender of the Constitution v attacker of the COnstitution

Yet another code word canard for “in support of white privilege v attacker of white privilege.”

7. less government control and regulations and more individual’s freedom/liberty v more government control/regulations and less individual’s freedom/liberty

There is little Sarah Palin can do to make America more individually free. In reality one of the things conservatives understand the least is that of the rules one has to follow on a daily basis in America local and state laws come into play far more than federal regulations. I believe this commenter is making an appeal here against ObamaCare, poorly, and a veiled reference to Progressives wanting to take guns away from the American people.

8. low taxes/letting people keep more of what they earned v high taxes/ripping off people

I have always liked the argument of allowing people who want to pay no taxes to have to put a coin in their toilet to flush it each time and then see how they feel about taxation. None of these conservatives seem to be able to twig to the notion that it isn’t the taxes it’s the wages. Raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and one would see a renaissance in the American economy that might hold until the early decades of the 22nd century according to our lead economist Carlton Pryor. The only people being ripped off in America are those who have lost middle class status, the truly disabled and those working 40 hours a week for minimum wage being called “moochers” by the Right.

9. energy INDEPENDENT/drilling and fracking for more gas and oil to create jobs v energy dependent/man caused global warming or climate chaos

There is a cancer in the minds of conservatives that America would be energy independent if they could just control two branches of the government. That is one of the greatest economic and political lies ever told. Conservatives like the commenter still believe that if America drills for its own oil they could produce the 22 million bbl a day they need to keep the freedom of cars and personal transportation which is at the heart of their belief about freedom. Many petroleum scientists feel that close to half of the oil in the ground on Terra has been removed. The Rham Institute for Resource Studies estimates that by 2020 45% of the oil will have been pumped and by 2050 that number will be 55%. It would seem prident that in the coming decades America would want to keep some of its own oil in the ground. However, the drilling on government land, in Alasaka’s ANWR would not result in lower prices because the market sets the price based on supply. Over supply by America would be met with reduced production by OPEC. According to an April 2014 report of American oil resources 43% of oil was locked in federal lands and the total oil reserves on and offshore were 67.41 billion bbl. At current usage rates this would last 8.7 years. I’m agnostic on global warming or climate change; I’ll leave that debate to climate scientists.

10. reducing debts for future generations v more debts for future generations

Where were these cries during the Reagan and Bush II years?

11. cutting irresponsible spendings [sic] v more irresponsible spendings [sic]

I don’t know what irresponsible spending Obama has done that has harmed the US economy. Palin has had no experience since resigning as Alaska Governor so she doesn’t have any federal budgetary experience. Per Carlton Pryor, Lead Economist TED-OG, “[She] was a supporter of the war in Iraq which was a waste of $3 trillion which would have nearly fully reversed the Great Recession by paying $32,000 to every working American over the age of 16. This would have been a more prudent measure had the Great Recession been properly foreseen.”

12. free market capitalism/no crony capitalism v socialism

This is another red herring. America is a curious economic admixture of socialism [Social Security, Medicaid] and capitalism [tax breaks for oil companies and off shore accounts for corporate persons]. I can only imagine this is a feaful swipe at Obama/Clinton and knowing that if HRC is elected single payer will come to pass by the end of her first term.

13. no coporate [sic] welfare/foodstamps/bailouts v more coporate [sic] welfare/foodstamps/bailouts

Where do I begin? This seems to go against the religious ethic of helping the poor, but that would be a facile digression. Once again, Carlton Pryor, “The bank bailout, done during the Bush II administration was a necessary first step toward pushing back from the precipice of Depression. Had this and the Stimulus not been done we would not be having this conversation but rather a conversation about whether America would recover economically in time to save itself as a nation. Now with the American economy finally healing a 2016 election of Ms Palin and retrograde economists that would advise her would be to run headlong toward that cliff and leap, on faith, to demise.”

14. helping the helpless, not the clueless v getting the clueless/useful idiots become addicted to free stuffs/entitlement programs

Well I would imagine this commenter want President Palin to do away with Social Security, which is an entitlement program and allow millions of Baby Boomers to be reduced to eating pet food or starving to death in the streets. This isn’t hyperbole, this is what would happen under this sort of draconian economic policy.

15. no rewarding bad behaviors v rewarding bad behaviors/illegal immigrants (undocumented democrats), DESERTER/TRAITOR Bowe Bergdahl, … etc.

Bad behaviors are most often not rewarded in America. Counties, cities and states all have laws to punish criminals. On the immigration front I stand on the fact that what made America great were the immigrants who to this day provide the diversity needed to maintain a powerful democracy. Bergdahl? I’ll leave that to the Judge Advocate General to investigate his status and whether a Court Martial is required.

16. Saving America from bankruptcy v Bankrupting America

I honestly don’ t know what Palin can do, without a cooperative Congress, from 2017 until 2021 to save America from bankruptcy. If anything her administration’s potential policies will send America into that abyss.

17. Restoring America’s greatness v TRANSFORMING America into some socialist utopia

Did you hear the dog whistle? More need for male white privilege to keep “the Other” from taking their share of the American Dream.

Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

Ciu Cava daelth Nixhot, J.F.. D.S.V.J.
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53 Responses to “VOX POPULI: A CONSERVATIVE LOOKS AT PALIN V CLINTON IN 2016”

  1. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

    Morality and responsibility? If Sarah Palin can’t keep her own minor daughter, Bristol’s legs together in the midst of a presidential campaign how in the heck can she bee a paragon of moral virtue and parental responsibility? I welcome the conservative challenge of a Palin run in 2016. Who has raised a better daughter Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin? My money is on Hillary. Chelsea may be president one day; Bristol will be lucky to have a soft core porn career.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      Oh now that’s rich. Really you can’t just say something to the point can you? This is because just like Bristol Palin can’t hold a candle to Chelsea Clinton Sarah Palin in a debate with Hillary Clinton would be such a disaster for conservatism I’m sure Palin would suddenly come down with an “illness” minutes before the debate!

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      Ciu cava isn’t anti Christian at all he’s just laying out the facts. You, and conservatives like you, want everything for themselves and their beliefs. Admit it. You don’t want people you don’t know to be able to get married because of your religious beliefs. What if a rabbi in Tel Aviv didn’t want you to eat bacon because it was against his religious beliefs? See where I’m going with this? Your children and grandchildren will have to deal with minorities as the majority in their lifetime. You better start to play nice now because you know what human nature and Karma are like.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      You know it would be a fitting end to America if by some awful twist of electoral fate a stupid vapid cunt like Palin could be elected President and America was nuked because of her foreign policy blunders precipitated by listening to limp-dicked neocons who see war as a solution to everything. I really want better for America and by better I mean equal rights for the LGBTQ community, better education for minorities, better health care for all by way of single payer and the elimination of firearms from the American civilian population. Yeah I’m a socialist and I know the gun thing won’t fly but since I’m dreaming for a better America I might as well dream big.

      What would you say a Sarah Palin run in 2016 as a third party candidate is 30% maybe 40%? She’d get 25% of the vote for sure leaving the GOP candidate with possibly 15-20%. Guess what that’s not half! All the GOP could do then is call Clinton a president not elected by a mandate even though she would still get more than 50% of the votes and likely would win the Electoral College in a landslide. Take the Senate in 2014 and keep the House it’ll all come back to the Progressive Democrats in 2016 and get worse for the GOP in 2018. By 2020 as TEA Party candidates lock up the South the GOP candidate against Clinton will maybe get 20 electoral votes and 10% of the popular. But you aren’t thinking in these terms you are too busy wondering what it would be like to have Sarah Palin piss on you.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      You have a right to that opinion but there’s no shame in Obama’s game. Had he been a GOP candidate you’d be hailing him as “achieving the American Dream!” You really aren’t a bigot your a misguided ideologue who has racial delusions of grandeur.

  2. dcobranchi Says:

    Schwartz!!! The “c” word is WAY out of bounds.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      I know. I know. I’ve already had a call from Cavalor. I apologize if any sensibilities have been rubbed the wrong way but all other descriptions were wanting to give the full measure of disdain I have for this particular conservative. Also, I can no longer feign outrage if anyone says the same about Hillary.

  3. dcobranchi Says:

    If I believed in a god, I would PRAY that Palin was the GOP nominee. We Democrats should only get that lucky.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      That would make James Carville’s prediction of five years ago, that the TEA Party would assure the destruction of the GOP as a national party incorrect, but you know it would be worth it just to watch her resign after a little less than a year in office. We can only hope her VP would not be worse than she would be.

  4. dcobranchi Says:

    well you, illiterate, uneducated, low IQ, ghetto rats and white commies did elect a doper, muslim, communist, dick sucking, cum slurping, dog eating mulatto…..you fools must be so proud.

    Is this not enough to get neo banned? Even the morons at Blogs4Bush wouldn’t put up with his(?) crap.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      I, personally don’t have the authority to ban him. If I did I wouldn’t because no matter how abhorrent his comments it gives an insight into just how close to the edge of violence the Right’s bigotry will lead them. I don’t give a shit what he says about me because at the end of the day I’m a more moral and responsible person than he’ll ever be.

      • He can’t respond with anything other than impotent put downs. He must think vulgarity trumps reality. Neo you are a small minded, angry, necrophiliac pip squeak. People laugh at you. Your entire existence is a practical joke played on the rest of us by Jesus and you are the punchline. You can’t lash out over at B4V so you came over here to take a stand. Against what remains to be discovered but you’re here none the less. Tell us Einstein, whats your point? There is not one molecule of evidence that this smack you continue to talk about Obama has any truth at all to it. Larry Sinclair???? Really??? YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON. Larry Sinclair is psychotic but since he says what you want to believe is true, you ascribe credibility to him. Has it occurred to you that if one iota of your accusations were true he would never have been elected??? My dog has more credibility than Sinclair. There is truly something mentally wrong with you. Get help while you can. A lobotomy might be worth looking into. If nothing else, it would make you tolerable to be around. Unless the stench remains.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

        This small dialogue shows how far apart the gulf has become between conservatives that keep losing on social issues and Progressives that just want the Freedom for All that is supposed to be a conservative ideology pillar. So what does that say to you Neocon? It says to me that you want your beliefs to rule while Progressives want people to have the freedom to chart their own course within the law.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

        Oh come on man. You know the business of America is business. Killing people off for politics? for religious beliefs? The only way conservatives get slaughtered is if they rise up against the government in an insurrection first. Otherwise nobody cares and you aren’t persecuted.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

        A wonderful Christian woman? Palin? Really? She’d sell her whole family for 30 minutes on prime time TV.

  5. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

    I am sure you would take great pleasure in the shower. I’m not calling you a pervert at all. Sexuality is a broad and nearly infinite spectrum. Being pissed on just isn’t my thing.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      That’s old news Bill. We can agree to disagree on that one. Take it up with Sarah. She drinks at least 2 gallons of water a day and water is expensive here in Hell!

    • sarahbloch Says:

      For the record I wouldn’t piss on Neocon01’s head if it was on fire. What I do find sad is that he would think that his sexual deviation makes him somehow abnormal as if he was the only person who ever desired this.

  6. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

    Any consenting adults should be able to get married. That’s what this whole social battle is about. Marriage is a commitment between two people to each other for life. Straight couples break their bond by way of divorce and annulment and I’ve never heard of a conservative ground swell to make divorce illegal. People can commit acts that were in 38 states considered sodomy in their stright marriages as well. I’ve never heard you offer an opinion on a man and a woman who are married having anal sex or giving oral sex. This is okay with you I guess? bestiality is illegal in most states as it should be because non humans generally have no legal means to consent just as minors have no legal means to consent to sexual contact.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      10,000 years of the definition of marriage? There’s been 10,000 years of marriage? Okay, whatever another WorldNetDaily style appeal to authority I imagine. Google Lawrence v Texas read the decision and come back to me. Remember the Constitution states that SCOTUS is the final arbiter of federal law. I get the old school notion of if we just didn’t talk about sex at all conservatives would be more comfortable. Society has become more open about sex and it’s really difficult to put that djinn back in the bottle.

  7. Could we all make an attempt to keep the discussion to the facts and political opinion? Do I need to say that this is not a request?

  8. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

    You are awfully easily offended for a grown man. You know what you bring aren’t facts or are obfuscations to get your bigoted points across. If conservatism was all you say it is why isn’t conservatism dominating the political arena?

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      So what do you do? Let veterans, old people and the disable die in the streets? Taxes aren’t the thing wages are man. Get with the program.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      We’re even there. I’d even be willing to bet as two veterans we’d have a good time playing darts over a few beers.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      So do you adhere to all Old Testament laws? How about the one about not wearing clothing made of disparate cloths?

  9. sarahbloch Says:

    Lifson would like to see the primary battle between Clinton and Warren but even he doesn’t buy Klein’s premise. Sarah Palin would get slaughtered by Elizabeth Warren.

  10. So that’s your genealogy. And all along I thought it was incest. Interesting how you seek out sources of information; some obscure and ridicule prone, and then conflate them with being progressive. Like in your mind “well that settles that”. Sadly for us entertainment junkies, $arah Payme will never run for any office ever again. She’s much happier exploiting paint chip eaters for money. And even that is coming to an end.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=zSlzq4Ev5T_bkM&tbnid=Db6GvrG44JXbLM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheimmoralminority.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F04%2Fsarah-palin-comes-up-with-looniest.html&ei=f9C5U4mnCeed8gGR9YCYAg&bvm=bv.70138588,d.b2k&psig=AFQjCNHjbL6WUjiYH_sb4bl_SaX2li9MXw&ust=1404772827956220

  11. sarahbloch Says:

    Pedophilia and homosexuality have nothing to do with each other Neocon.

  12. Here Bill. Don’t say I never gave you anything other than a hard time. This ought to keep you occupied for a while.
    http://www.mediafire.com/view/?rz9zjo7l6hls87d

    • sarahbloch Says:

      Birther bullshit. I suspect the 9/11 bombings in your humble opinion were and inside job as well?

    • sarahbloch Says:

      It’s not a private matter once you run for public office. If that was a case a person’s sex life would be a private matter. What a person does after hours in the privacy of their own home would be a private matter. See you want those private spaces for your candidates but not for ours because of the potential for scandal. If Sarah Palin can’t keep her house in order what sort of president would she be?

  13. sarahbloch Says:

    What that map shows is clear. Large cities with large populations vote for Democrats. Rural counties where conservatism reigns with small populations vote for the GOP. Conservatives have two choices; change their message to appeal to voters in large cities or be satisfied with being a regional party.

  14. sarahbloch Says:

    No a potential candidate is being examined.

  15. sarahbloch Says:

    Arpaio, Corsi, WND and a birther film producer promoting a documentary? Really?

    • dcobranchi Says:

      Yeah. There really needs to be a corollary to Godwin’s Law that states anyone linking approvingly to World Nut Daily automatically loses the debate.

    • I don’t know why we even TRY to reason with you. A total waste of effort.

      There are NO DIRECT QUOTES from Bill Clinton in that article. There is no documentation that Bill Clinton EVER claimed Obama was ineligible. There is no documentation that the Clintons were silenced by the murder of their friend. You have only the claims of a wackadoo political naif who had never even bothered to vote before 2008. WND is Birther Central. No thinking person gives any kind of credence to anything published there.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

        No thinking person. That eliminates 60% of the conservative base. The other 40% can remember what year it is or spend so much time wanting the Confederacy to come back their kids have become Progressives!

      • sarahbloch Says:

        If you can find a comfy Tyvek suit to wade in Morrow’s sewer his articles have gotten more and more batshit crazy as he realizes the GOP and the TEA Party have no one to run against Hillary.

    • sarahbloch Says:

      A film producer that’s a birther. She’s consumed the Kool-Aid and is now down with Taitz!

  16. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

    Now stop doing damage to your Soul.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      I disagree. Palin? Christian? I have no worry about my comments. She sold her ass for money and popularity because she had no leadership skills. You can say all you want about the President’s children I bet neither of them cause the grief for their parents Bristol caused for Sarah Palin.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      I seem to recall, during the Bush the 2nd administration absolute silence on the issue of how many trips he took back and forth to Crawford at $250,000 a pop or Laura Bush’s numerous trips to Africa and vacations. And that was why? Oh right, they are white and they are Christian and they earned the right to do as they please with taxpayer dollars and have bought your silence with their beliefs. If this is the best the whackadoodle Right can do against Hillary maybe you guys would be better off trying to take on the US military in a two day “insurrection” which would be the highest rated show on MSNBC, CNN and Fox ever!

  17. Having a conversation with you is like shooting pool with a rope. You are so far out of your league that I feel sorry for you. You cannot produce one iota of evidence to substantiate the lunacy you insist is true. Where is the proof Bill? Do you have it hidden somewhere? Like up your ass? Answer this. Why is he the President? What conspiracy is at work here? How many people are involved? You don’t even think about things, you just react. Like a robot. You have no self-awareness at all and for some sick reason you get off on being an asshole. Normally people have to work at that skill, to you it just comes naturally. Do you realize that you and your ideas are on the most furthest fringe of an already insane right? Talk about a tin foil hat. Do you really think that name calling is a substitute for intellect and critical thinking? Quit breathing . You’re wasting good air.

  18. To maintain order these officers may be necessary. Media reports of late state the minors are to be deported after processing.

  19. Neocon your post is a lie.

  20. “there is ample proof out there to back up my assertions..so now bill and hillary are liars in league with larry sinclair?”
    Provide the “proof”. Don’t just dismiss it out of hand, like it’s truthiness is a foregone conclusion. As far as conflating the Clintons, another example of your gullibility. The same morons who believe Larry Sinclair are saying the Clintons are in on it as well. You really should get help. Or do you think you’re to good for a mental health exam?
    And like I’ve said before, you are incapable of intimidating or embarrassing me. That’s what the weak try to do when they’ve got nothing else, right Bill? Get your hand out of your pants and show us this irrefutable “proof”.

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      This is hilarious! Anyone who looks at Chelsea Clinton can see both of her parents, Bill and Hillary in her face. For all you need to know about Robert Morrow’s insane crusade:

      http://wonkette.com/531491/wingnut-cant-wait-for-2016-to-tell-everyone-what-a-lezzie-slut-hillary-is-and-bill-is-not-even-chelseas-dad-either

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      Not even close. 26th arrondissement, Dis, Hell. Google Dis, Hell and you’ll get a good idea of the layout even though Dante got the context horribly wrong!

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      Waiting on conservative junk sites and conspiracy theory zones. I wonder what you thought about the economy when Clinton was President? Were you telling all your friends how wrong a direction America was going in back then? Clinton’s only mistakes were cowing to the Right with DOMA, not sending US troops to stop the genocide in Rwanda and not having an affair with a more mature intern. But of course you’re on the side who tried to make America believe that Monica was a minor and a page when the blow jobs happened. Please let the TEA Party take over the GOP. Please!

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