A RESPONSE TO A FEARFUL WHITE MAN FROM A BLACK MAN WHO WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEAT THEIR SWORDS OF BIGOTRY INTO PLOWSHARES OF PROSPERITY IN THE COMING FUTURE


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[Sam J commented to a previous post and Odamo Sese Omoko has taken the time to join us to give a black perspective on matters of race in America in 2016. We welcome him back to The Dis brimstone Daily Pitchfork. –G.R.M. Copy Ed.]

Sam I have been black all my life and that is quite likely longer than you have been alive. I have seen more history from close up than you can imagine. I have risen in my humanity in all of these years and I have come to see the pendulum of bigotry swing back and forth from open fullthroated hatred vocalized with no shame to the quiet bigotry of the later 20th Century.

Great Recession

Now once again in fear of losing their status at the top of the American social food chain and being compressed as middle class people white Americans are angry enough to shout out loud here on the Internet their animosities toward black Americans. It is almost a fashion for conservatives now to say things that would have drawn gasps just two decade and possibly less ago. Here where I live I am respected for my position and when I go out on the streets no one avoids me because of the color of my skin.

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This is not a utopia by any means but here where I live there is no false pride granted one race over another because of the unearned privilege of being born white. Like I tell all of the apprentice sous chefs and dishwahers and sauciers servers and bar staff here, “I don’t care what you are do something positive with today. Do the best you can and treat everyone you meet with respect and above all respect yourself.” The life you are living currently is not the game you expected it to be at your age. Much change has taken place in your life time socially and economically. Most of that has little to do with you. But, I would guess that the modern era has not been kind to you. I could say the same for the many generations of black Americans who are still in poverty, many because of their own failings, in America.

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To those who would riot rather than change I have no use for them no matter their race because change is the only constant in Human Life. There is much work to do to bring the ignorant tenth of my race out of the cultural cesspool in which they dwell. Many of them would be angry at hearing those words but I don’t care about their feelings I care about their actions.

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The problem I see is that if every black man in America walking around in a hoodie today with his pants down off his ass suddenly put on an Armani suit entered a community college and went seeking a job white conservative America would lose its collective mind. If black Americans started buying guns and joining the NRA in their millions white conservative America would turn blood red from screaming that a revolution against them was coming. This in fact would be blacks doing exactly what whites in their skins perceive themselves to be heart and soul; professional and armed in protection of what is theirs.

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So, my point is that you Sam J want blacks to keep doing what twenty percent and more have been doing since the end of the First World War; seeking quick pleasures and avoiding work in the name of receiving handouts be they from the Church or the Government. This gives you something to point to that makes your life seem grand in comparison. I want all of my people and your people to succeed in the boats of liberty that are buoyed by the tides of prosperity. But before America can get to that day all of us, you, I and millions of others have to put aside our stupidity about race, our anger at past transgressions micro or macro and do the hard work of making self esteem and cultural understanding a quotidian reinforcment. We must give up the old and embrace the new Sam J because like it or not the world is very different now.

Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

Odamo Sese Omoko, Garrote Noir, D.S.V.A.,
Chef Grandèe of the Imperial Household
Order of the Culinary Arterial Blue Garter
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58 Responses to “A RESPONSE TO A FEARFUL WHITE MAN FROM A BLACK MAN WHO WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEAT THEIR SWORDS OF BIGOTRY INTO PLOWSHARES OF PROSPERITY IN THE COMING FUTURE”

  1. neocon01 Says:

    robbery, murder, mayhem, racism, looting, stealing, destroying, hatred, savagery, is legion in the black culture and society…DO SOMETHING about YOUR people or STFU!

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=230_1452576033

    • odamoseseomoko Says:

      I would disagree Neocon01 but thank you for commenting. If I had never seen white Americans looting [as many did in New Orleans and the surrounding parishes after Hurricane Katrina] or never heard of white Americans committing robbery or white Americans murdering their own families or white Americans being openly and proudly racist or stealing from others or doing things that can only be described as savage then you would have a point. Your life can only be made better by all people doing their part and being better Human Beings; or at least aspiring to that end. You ask me to do something about my people as if by some extension all the acts of black Americans have a reflective property on me. They do not. But all the actions of the Human Race do. This is the disconnect between you and I. You see things in terms of your whiteness and the things you have and the people you love being threatened by blacks and anyone else who looks loves or lives differently than you do. I don’t see things that way at all because there is no Human profit in being a bigot. I agree with many of the social scientists who have said for many decades that if there were only one race on Terra then the minor differences between that one race, like eye color would then become a source of a new kind of bigotry that would be taught and embedded in the minds of generations. I would love to see a world where all men and women are treated equally and treat each other with respect but unlike you I am working to make that change while you revel in the divisiveness and anger that come with just not quite being comfortable in modern America. I’m sad about that maybe I can help you see that there is more to your life than hatred and bigotry. I was just telling my wife Sarah [yes the Sarah that works here] the other night that what she and her colleagues were trying to do is the best possible work one could imagine. She kissed me and asked me to join her here and offer solutions to the problems they fight against every day. So here I am a black man with a clear mind and no hatred for anyone and respect for all who believes that all men are created equal, that all young black men should get jobs own a firearm for the protection of their homes and families who believes that woman has a right to govern her own body and wants anyone who loves another person who loves them to be able to marry and build a family out of that love. Now tell me again how I am the problem and you are the solution?

  2. neocon01 Says:

    not the color of the skin, the content of character…..13% of the population commits 50% of all murders, 60% of all felony crimes and has burned, looted, rampaged every American city since 1960….I am not absolving white criminals, but statics make blacks far more dangerous.

  3. neocon01 Says:

    absolute BULL SHIITE

    “You see things in terms of your whiteness and the things you have and the people you love being threatened by blacks and anyone else who looks loves or lives differently than you do”

    when I see a cottonmouth, rattle snake etc I know there is immediate danger and avoid it at all costs…..I have MANY Hispanic friends, Asian friends and only one mulatto friend.
    sorry but I have had a long life of crap from blacks in school, work, military, and neighbors, and if I never encountered another black in my life that would be fine with me.

    Blacks are 5 times more likely to commit violence against the person.
    Blacks are 4 times ‘more likely’ to commit sexual offences.
    Blacks are 15 times ‘more likely’ to commit robbery.
    Blacks are over 6 times ‘more likely’ to commit fraud and forgery.
    Blacks are over twice as likely to commit criminal damage.
    Black are 5 times ‘more likely’ to commit drugs offences.
    http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/s95racetables0001.xls%20Sheet
    Violence against the person is 5 times more prevalent in the black community, than in the white community.
    Drugs offences are 16 times more prevalent in the black community, and 3 time more prevalent in the Asian community, than in the white community.
    Robbery is over 9 times more prevalent in the black community, than in the white community.
    Committing homicide is 6 times more prevalent in the black community, and twice as prevalent in the Asian community, than it is in the white community.
    The homicidal killing of white people is 90 times more prevalent in the black community, than the homicidal killing of black people in the white community

    watch 10 episodes of the first 48, forensic files, etc then sing the praises of your bros to me..

  4. neocon01 Says:

    Black people in the United States are more likely to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites because they commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.

    – FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.
    More up to date FBI statistics tell a similar story. In 2013, black criminals carried out 38% of murders, compared to 31.1% for whites, again despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S.

    – FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.

    – FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.
    According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.
    Critics argue that black people are overrepresented in these figures because they only represent 13% of the population, but they are underrepresented if you factor in violent crime offenders. In other words, you would expect the number of blacks and whites killed by police to be roughly equal given that they commit a roughly equal number of violent crimes, but that’s not the case. Whites are nearly 100% more likely to be victims.

    And what about black on white violence in general?
    – FACT: Despite being outnumbered by whites five to one, blacks commit eight times more crimes against whites than vice-versa, according to FBI statistics from 2007. A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse. These figures also show that interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white.
    “Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their widely cited 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.”
    It’s clear that the greater propensity for black people to commit violent crimes is a driving factor as to why blacks are becoming involved in more violent confrontations with police than their 13% population figure suggests they should be. If the 911 calls are coming from black areas and are related to black people committing violent crimes, then of course black people are more likely to be involved in violent confrontations with cops.
    Does that justify police brutality in cases such as Freddie Gray, Walter Scott or Eric Garner? No.
    But it does demolish the ‘Black Lives Matter’ narrative that the general trend of black people being victims of violent encounters with police is solely down to the fact that cops are racist towards black people. Racism is a factor, but the statistics clearly show that it’s by no means the only factor, and some would argue not even the dominant factor.
    But aren’t all these statistics undermined by the fact that black people are unfairly targeted and framed for crimes by police officers in the first place? Don’t higher arrest and conviction rates of blacks merely prove that police are racist? This argument is debunked by looking at the proportion of offenders identified – not by police – but by victims – as black. The National Crime Victimization Survey shows that the number of blacks arrested generally correlates with the number of offenders identified as black by victims.
    Studies suggest that the reasons behind blacks being more likely to commit violent crimes are the dual issues of poverty (which exacerbates family breakdown) and a sub-culture amongst the black community that is tolerant of and glamorizes crime and violence. In the aftermath of the Ferguson and Baltimore riots, we saw the white metropolitan liberal media further legitimize this violence by openly justifying and even endorsing violent unrest that targeted mainly black-owned businesses.
    This is true racism – by encouraging blacks to loot and riot, the white liberal media is helping to keep black communities in a cycle of destructive behavior that will lead to more police brutality targeted against black people.
    Police brutality is a huge problem within the United States, and anyone that denies that fact is a part of the problem. But until we acknowledge and address the equally important issue of violent criminality within the black community, and until that becomes part of the national conversation, the issue is never going to be resolved.
    And by failing to make these facts part of the conversation, black political leaders, protest organizers, and the white liberal media is complicit in perpetuating the chain reaction of violence that makes

    • sarahbloch Says:

      And if you are a white supremacist like you are Neocon this makes you happy. I choose to think rationally not racially.

  5. neocon01 Says:

    white supremist ROTFLMAO…….this from a commie lesbian

    • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

      And for the record Sarah’s a socialist not a communist and she’s straight and doesn’t like to be peed upon. Sorry about that.

  6. neocon01 Says:

  7. neocon01 Says:

    the report is 2015…..DUHHHHH
    politifact???? really??? LOL

    • Robin Naismith Green Says:

      What a colossal fail. Even Trump had the post taken down after the twitter storm that followed the Nazi poster origins. Neocon01 I’m sure there are those who will believe any lie about crime and race to score points with those so dumb and blind that a lie is better than a fact. But even for you this is a new low.

  8. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

    The report is not 2015 Bill because those statistics have not even been released by the FBI as of this date and they definitely weren’t out on 23 November 2015 when Trump made this post. As you so eloquently state to us here often I think it’s time you shut the fuck up on this one. Take the loss and walk off because you posted a set of lies that have been proven to be a set of lies. Here’s another picture to make you feel better.

  9. sarahbloch Says:

    Neocon01 I knew you were willing to do anything to advance your desire for a race war in America but this inability to tell truth from lies exposes you as simply a small stupid person. I will be laughing for days about this!

  10. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

    And here it is again trumpeted on StormFront the go to site for NeoNazi bigots in America. Sad day for you Billy boy. Sad day.

  11. Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

    What Bill old boy you looking for the website of the Crime Statistics Bureau San Francisco? I’ll save you some trouble it doesn’t exist. But here’s one more picture that will make you feel better about being a willing conspirator in Trump’s fascist brown wife beater army!

    • neocon01 Says:

      no sad day for me at all freddy, I merely posted an article you dont like BFD. The failure is all you forkers who convulsed and fell all over your selves frothing at the mouth…..its like teasing 4yo on the short bus.LOL

    • neocon01 Says:

      sarah sure does enjoy that doesnt she?….have you sucked any dick lately freddy? or are you sticking with butt fucking your boyfriend?

  12. neocon01 Says:

    one of obola’s sons and some one you admire so much fred…

    Now that means either Trump’s people are too stupid to check facts or they agree with perpetuating lies to make white people in America fearful of those with darker skin or different names. Both are travesties. You Bill are nothing more than an angry old lying cunt who is going to waste away his final years because of things over which you have no control while ignoring the one thing you can change–your attitude!

    • Do these people not have the same 1st Amendment rights as those who think act and look like you?

      • neocon01 Says:

        sure, I just dont see any white people screaming in public on bullhorns to kill niggers

      • Of course you do not see this now as many in white America have chosen drugs over violence while the rest have chosen to be slaves to capitalism. They have no motivation to mass in the streets because they are satisfied with their unearned privilege and the material things they have amassed. The poor choose to slake their misery with prescription drugs or methamphetamine.

  13. neocon01 Says:

    unearned privilege

    you shit the bed right there, nothing else you say is to be considered relevant because of such gross stupidity.

    • Robin Naismith Green Says:

      Not material things Neocon01 the privilege that you can’t see like a fish doesn’t know it is in water. Like it or not you have been steeped in it all your life.

      • neocon01 Says:

        absolute rubbish from a useful idiot spouting the party line..ya de ya….blah blah blah, privilege marx – alinsky 101….

        you fools really need to get a new shtick , fear, racism and privilege are so 90’s and really boring, along with all your made up “phobias”.

      • sarahbloch Says:

        And yet Neocon when a white person commits a heinous crime this is a single act of a single individual but to conservatives when a person of color commits a heinous act it is a burden to be carried by a whole race. This is the problem the journalists here have with American white conservatives who call themselves Christian.

  14. neocon01 Says:

    sarah I suggest you spend a month alone in my neighborhood, then a month in the hood……then lets discuss it.

    • sarahbloch Says:

      I have spent much of my time as a journalist living, dining and laughing with a full spectrum of people of color. I can be on
      all the streets of Ferguson, Chicago or Los Angeles and I have no fear of harm.

  15. neocon01 Says:

    the commie jews here have with American white conservatives who call themselves Christian. (fixed)

    wait until islam roots its self, you WILL be in hell and sooner than you wish

    • sarahbloch Says:

      How can you in this modern age look at yourself in the mirror and be an anti Semite? What has any Jew ever done to you?

      • neocon01 Says:

        many of you are communists and islam apologists.
        I am PRO Israel, and pro real Jews….
        I am against leftist, rage, hate filled, homo, marxist, pro child murder, anti constitutional bigots which happens to be you forkers who happen to be Christophobic, jews…

      • Robin Naismith Green Says:

        The only thing I see here is political disgust with your leaders Neocon01. Fred is a far left socialist [Partaju Comnu Rotondi] and is a member of the communist wing of our Alliance Party here [that party is made up of center left, socialists and Greens in a coalition]. I am a social democrat [Medix Comnu], Sarah is a Green [Virjdix], Cav has been a member of the social democrats since time immemorial. None of our policies is communist per se but are clearly to the left of any socialists in power in the United States. And you are not pro Israel you are anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim. This is understandable given your limited understanding of the region and its history which to you means that the Jews only serve some apocalyptic purpose for you in your religious belief about the end times. Whatever. None of us here are Christophobic either. I personally don’t see Christian religion being used by many conservative whites in America as anything other than a stick to beat people they don’t like or are different from them. I am not rabidly political but I do believe that people should be able to live their own lives without barriers to their success and happiness. You on the other hand want your race and religion to be respected and to gain from that respect materially. Sure I will admit you are a hard working businessman who has done well for himself but you have to ask the question was that success all about you or was the genetic lottery that you won being born white in an America where you had a playing field tilted in your favour play a part?

      • neocon01 Says:

        robin

        totally off the mark on your assessment, so I throw the Bull Shiite flag.

        do try to keep up there NEVER was nor is there a state of Palestine, or Palestinian people, they were nomads living in Jordan until the king expelled them, the UN gave them territory which they rejected…..
        PS I have many Jewish friends, just not leftist, commie, US constitution, American, hating jews like you forkers.

      • sarahbloch Says:

        Not only WAS there a State of Palestine the people who lived in the region have been recognized as Semitic people since the 5th Century BCE. Palestinians in the 1920s carried passports that declared Palestine as their nation state and the Palestinian Pound was their unit of currency.

      • neocon01 Says:

        PALESTINIAN PEOPLE DO NOT EXIST

        Truth does not change. Truth is truth. If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today.

        And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine.

        You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making the bold political statement: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people.”

        The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir’s “racism.” They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception.

        What they don’t like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth – that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity.

        So, despite the fact that conventional wisdom has now proclaimed that there is such a thing as the Palestinian people, I’m going to raise those uncomfortable quotations made by Arafat and his henchmen when their public-relations guard was down.

        Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said:

        The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

        For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

        That’s pretty clear, isn’t it? It’s even more specific than Golda Meir’s statement. It reaffirms what I have written on this subject. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.

        In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here’s what he said: “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

        No matter how many people convince themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves.

        I’ve said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.

        Why now has it become such a critical priority?

        The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.

        Golda Meir was right. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.

        Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It’s not too late to say no to terrorism. It’s not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It’s not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.

        Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2002/07/14501/#2UKiPoiIc2680Cks.99

      • sarahbloch Says:

        The truth Neocon01 is that the man you quoted for proof there is no such thing as a Palestinian happens to be a leader of the as Saiqa faction [Syrian Ba’athist] of the PLO. Now as Saiq are a special type of Palestinian allied with hardliners in Syria at least they were in the mid 1970s. Mohsen was the leader who ordered the slaughter of nearly 1,500 Christian Maronites in the Damour Massacre of 20 January 1976. Now would you believe anything else this man had to say on any topic or are you so intellectually small that you believe only the things said by anyone that reinforces your worldview?

      • neocon01 Says:

        Even the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Arafat himself, is not a “Palestinian”. He was born in Egypt.
        The famous “Palestinian covenant” states that Palestinians are “an integral part of the Arab nation” — a nation which is blessed with a sparsely populated land mass 660 times the size of tiny Israel (Judea, Samaria and Gaza included).

        All attempts to claim Arab sovereignty over Israel of today, should be seen with their real intention: The destruction of Israel as a Jewish state and the only bulwark of the Judeo-Christian Western civilization in the Middle East.

      • And what right does Judeo-Christian Western Civilization have to the Middle East?

  16. neocon01 Says:

    The Palestinians are one of the more ridiculous historical hoaxes. If you believe the media, they’re an ancient distinct people with a historical claim on the land of Israel.

    In reality they’re a collection of invaders, colonists and migrants. A sizable group among them, the Afro-Palestinians, are African Muslims who arrived there in the 20th century to fight against Israel.

    Many other Arab Muslims came to work in industries created by the British Mandate. The entire thing became more convoluted when Jordan was split off under one of the Hashemite kings creating a country full of the same Arab Muslims, but who are deemed not to be Palestinians, even though Jordan is in fact full of “Palestinians”. It got sillier when Jordan seized parts of Israel and annexed them, at which point the “Palestinians” there ceased to be “Palestinians” who needed national rights, but became “Palestinians” again once Israel liberated the area.

    But this has to be denied because otherwise the mandate for a “Palestinian State” collapses. Sometimes though the truth slips out.

    Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has described Jordanian and Palestinian Arabs as “one people living in two states,” during a meeting with the head of the Jordan Football Association on Tuesday. Bethlehem-based Maan News cited the Jordanian al-Ghad newspaper as saying that Abbas arrived in Jordan from Doha along with several other senior PA officials, including its intelligence chief Majid Faraj. The Arabic-language Al-Quds news outlet directly quoted Abbas, who it said “stressed that the relationship between Jordan and Palestine is the relationship of ‘one people living in two states,’ adding that this relationship will not be affected by anything.”
    That’s somewhat literally true. But still rather limited. The Hamas Foreign Minister was more honest about it.

    Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri [“Egyptian”]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. We are Arabs. We are Muslims. We are a part of you.
    If only they would go home.

    • sarahbloch Says:

      You are making Robin’s point. In the centuries prior to the Mandate all the people who lived in the region were called Palestinians.

      • neocon01 Says:

        Called maybe, but not a common people, no palestanian language, leaders, stats, government, mostly nomads. Then it became Jordan and at the end of ww1 a state was formed for the Jews.

        robin’s so called “point” was bull shit.and to this day there is no state of Palestine, the people living there are expelled jordanians.

      • The Mandatory State of Palestine was made for the people of the region a Jewish State Israel did not come to be until 1948.

      • Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.] Says:

        There are no common American people, no language called American but yet America is a nation. The Jordanians gained their independence from the Mandate on 25 may 1946 two years before the formation of Israel.

      • neocon01 Says:

        WAS MADE FOR…….exactly!!

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