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POINT:COUNTERPOINT: CONSERVATISM VERSUS LIBERALISM EXPLAINED BY TWO LINKS

Posted in MIA KHALIFA, POINT COUNTERPOINT on 16/02/2015 by Majordomo Pain

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Conservatism in the form of religious fanaticism, hatred and violence.

Liberalism in the form of free speech, freedom of association and sexual liberation.

Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

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POINT-COUNTERPOINT: MITCH AND CLUSTER ON SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND THE CURIOUS NATURE OF AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE HOMOPHOBIA

Posted in CLUSTER, MITCHETHEKID, POINT COUNTERPOINT with tags , , , , , on 05/06/2013 by sarahbloch

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From Mark Noonan’s odd attempt at storming the same sex marriage barricades with the aid of French conservatives MitchEtheKid rings the nell of liberty:

Lets try again.

OK. But ask your fellow conservatives if they do in fact support civil unions. A legal contract that affords same sex couples all of the rights, traditions, privilege’s, heartache and misery of what is understood to be defined by a word: Marriage. It’s a word, a description of a state of being. It is not an absolute nor is it impervious to nuance. There are many advertizements [sic] that use the word marriage in reference to their product(s). A marriage between peanut butter and chocolate. A marriage between mustard and mayonnaise with a hunk of protein in the middle. The argument has now devolved into a defense of a word by applying a singular meaning to it, and a more robust defense of the ambiguity of language is my personal reaction to it.
I am very prejudicial about homosexuality. The very image of it repulses me and I don’t understand some of my male friends being turned on by lipstick lesbians but the spiritual aspect of a loving relationship between same sex couples effects me not one iota and whom am I to dictate what or does not comprise a truly loving, caring relationship. I don’t know the ratio of divorce between hetero and gay couples, but if I were to guess, I’d bet on the side of it being relatively even. I could be wrong though. Gay’s experience allot more social hostility just because they are outside of the norm than hetero couples. And I wholly agree that homosexuality is the exception to the gene pool, but again, so what? For example, Neo is always going on about sodomy. And in this one instance: about the exit being the entrance, I agree but he always omits females. Why is that Neo? Are you that closed minded to exclude women from your equation? It’s just another example of the closed mindedness that the extreme right suffers from when it comes to (no pun intended) a changing definition of; and acceptance thereof, a fluid society that ebbs and flows from what is considered to be normal and what is considered to be deviant. History tells us that the Greeks and Romans were wildly sexual. Do you condemn them or just pass it off with no further investigation? Especially if their historical contributions substantiate your insistence that a religious predicate from ancient times is the bedrock of your political ideology. There’s a conflict boys and girls, and one that can’t be ignored. Ever see (or read) A Clockwork Orange?
Here is a link to an elderly French Citizen who in protest over the acceptance of same sex marriage in France, put a gun in his mouth and blew his skull out. Now I ask you, is he a martyr? A crazy person? Did he think his suicide would alter the course of social history? Be talked about in reverential terms after his death and therefore give him some comfort in his last living moments? No. He was a homophobic who was incapable of addressing his irrational hatred of a changing society and rather than coming to terms with his own being, he chose self inflicted death as an easy alternative. He’s no different than any other coward. Or abortion doctor murderer.
Society has changed, and like Wm F Buckley once said, (and I paraphrase) too many conservatives stand athwart both history and the future yelling stop. It can’t, it won’t and it’s not listening to you,me or anyone else. It just keeps on being on.

As if that weren’t enough to fill your culture wars belly for an evening Cluster [yes that same B4V Cluster] brings in the Baked Alaska in response to Neocon!!

And I gotta tell you neocon, that if you choose to exclude same sex unions from being recognized in any way by the state and not allow them legal rights based on moral grounds, you not only lose that entire voting base, but you lose the voting base of those who are sympathetic to their plight, which is HUGE, and comprises most of the younger generation.

Breitbart adhux autem mortju! [Breitbart is still dead!]

Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

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MITCHETHEKID EXPLAINS IT ALL

Posted in 2012 ELECTION GOP AUTOPSY, 2014 ELECTIONS, 2016 ELECTIONS, BIGOTRY, BIRTHERISM, BLOGS 4 VICTORY, CAVALOR EPTHITH EDITORIALS, CONSERVATIVE FEAR, CONSERVATIVE HYPOCRISY, CONSERVATIVE IGNORANCE, CONSERVATIVE INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE, CONSERVATIVE LIES, CONSERVATIVE NEWS, CONSERVATIVE VIOLENCE, COUNTER-SHAI'TANISM, COUNTER-THEOCRACY, DOOMSDAY PREPPERS, FASCISM, FEARSPEAK, FETAL PERSONHOOD, FREEDOM, FUNDAMENTALISTS ACTING BADLY, GLBTQ RIGHTS, GLENN BECK, GOP AS A MINORITY PARTY, GOP MELTDOWN, GUN VIOLENCE IN AMERICA, HERITAGE FOUNDATION, HOMOPHOBIA, HOT MESS, HOW HELL WORKS, HOW THE RIGHT SEES THE 47%, HUMAN BEINGS, HUNTER S THOMPSON, JAN BREWER, JOURNALISM, JUSTICE, KOCH BROTHERS, L BRENT BOZELL, MARK EDWARD NOONAN, MICHELE BACHMANN, MIKA BRZEZINSKI, MITCHETHEKID, MITT ROMNEY, NAACP, NEOCON1, NRA, OFFICE OF THE TORTURER GENERAL, PASTOR TERRY JONES, POINT COUNTERPOINT, POLITICS, PRIEST SEXUAL ABUSE, PROGRESSIVES ON THE MARCH, QUOTE OF THE DAY, RACE AND POLITICS IN AMERICA, RELIGIOUS RIGHT, ROCK THE SLUT VOTE, RUSH LIMBAUGH, TEA PARTY, THE CANCER OF HATE, THE GOP GENDER GAP, THE GREATER FOOL, THE HELLAC BILL OF RIGHTS, THE IGNORANT TENTH, THE MATING HABITS OF CONSERVATIVES, THE RICH STILL DIE, THE SKY IS FALLING, THEOCRACY, THEY EXPLAIN IT ALL, THINGS THAT MAKE CONSERVATIVES ANGRY, U.S. ECONOMY, UNREST IN AMERICA, WE SEE YOU, WHITE PRIVILEGE, YOUR DAILY SIMPLIFICATION, ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, حرر سوريا! with tags , , , , on 25/03/2013 by Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J

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A daring post from a Liberal commenter both here and at Blogs4Victory. This should be any Progressive’s first read this morning:

Thanks for mentioning our conversations Cluster. I appreciate it. I think that Amazona is correct in saying that social issues should not be the focus of any government, let alone one based upon conservative precepts. To take that statement to its logical conclusion, we all should be libertarian, as long as we do not devolve into anarchy. Unfortunately this is not the case. There are many, to many IMO, that are obsessed with social issues and use the government and it’s law making and law enforcing power to enact both restrictions and allowances. I am not a constitutional expert. I have a DAR manual that I look at from time to time but mostly for a point of clarification. I agree that it is a brilliantly written document and that the authors had enough forethought and enlightenment to be cognizant of the future. But it is also a product of it’s time, written by human beings who were every bit as complicated and flawed and brilliant and tragic as anyone living today. The essence of all words, as a conveyance of thinking, is metaphorical. (A word itself.) And as such, the words are subject to interpretation. An argument can be made that the “intent” that Amazona mentioned, is nothing more than learned guessing. (Emphasis on ned in learned.) One of the functions of the Supreme Court, is to interpret the meaning of the language that comprises the Constitution, by way of a shared consensus of opinion between a quorum of justices.
But in a representative government, if a social issue is a concern, then it does become subject to legislation. This has been a fact throughout human history. We do not live in a vacuum (no pun intended towards those who doubt my aviator skills) and in 2013 there are over 300 million people who live in the US. In 1776 there were ~ 2.5 and were primarily agrarian.
I think that conservative principals are the best choice where the issue(s) are economic in nature. But I do not disparage a degreed economist who happens to have a more fundamental understanding of the dynamics of a multi-trillion economy and how it interacts not only with those that have a dollar in their pocket, but now amongst the entire planet as well.
As I see it, it is not the educational system that is to blame, or the inherent bias that all people and businesses possess that is the root of the problems conservatism is experiencing, it is the behavior, the claims and the reporting of it. A few examples exist on this blog alone. Retired Spook going on about transformation. Society, culture and politics are fluid, not static.Please provide some specific examples Retired Spook, of how our country is suffering from the progressive nature of time and the changing attitudes of the population. There are very few examples that my feeble brain can come up with that verify your conviction that an uber left even exists, let alone paint with such broad strokes this “intense dislike of how America was founded.” Just how was it founded? Not why, but how. And why do you stereotype? Not all “liberals” are America hating. In fact, most people desire a better America, not a worse one.
Amazona’s use of inflammatory adjectives as a method of demeaning and undermining alternative points of view. And her obsession with spelling, grammar and punctuation. (I write the way I speak, commas substituting for pauses.)
I won’t even address Neo. There isn’t a better representative for the fanatical, fringe extreme that gives conservatives a bad reputation than he. Conservatism isn’t the problem. It’s conservatives.
I am a supporter of smaller government. I do not think excessive regulation(s) are a good thing. I think local control is superior to national but I also recognize the duplicity that currently exists on the right, how traditional conservatism has been eviscerated by a pandering to a certain type of uninformed and fearful individual and how tribalism has been exploited to further the monetary goals of others. This is the human condition. This is what Machiavelli often referred to and encouraged. I think that for conservatism to make a resurgence, it has to go through a metamorphosis. Unfortunately for those currently experiencing this change, it is a difficult process and it is perfectly understandable to want to blame those that don’t subscribe to the ideology, whom are not fixated with blaming the “media” or contemporary popular culture for their poor and declining image. There is a difference between cooperation and capitulation. This demarcation applies to all sides of the political grid. Self examination is a positive. A refusal to accept the need to change is not. And this applies to everyone on both a personal level and as a member of a group.
OK. I think I will slither back into my hole now.

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MY FINAL PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION GLOAT: ADAM AND EVE IN THE GARDEN OF POST CONSERVATISM

Posted in 2012 US ELECTION, BIGOTRY, BIRTHERISM, CONSERVATIVE FEAR, CONSERVATIVE HYPOCRISY, CONSERVATIVE IGNORANCE, CONSERVATIVE NEWS, COUNTER-THEOCRACY, FEARSPEAK, FRED SCHWARTZ OPINIONS, HOW HELL WORKS, HUMAN BEAUTY, HUMAN BEINGS, IN HINDSIGHT, MARK EDWARD NOONAN, MITT ROMNEY, POINT COUNTERPOINT, POLITICS, RACE AND POLITICS IN AMERICA, RELIGIOUS RIGHT, RUSH LIMBAUGH, SEX, TEA PARTY, THE GREATER FOOL, THE WAR ON WOMEN, THEOCRACY, TODD AKIN, U.S. ECONOMY, UNREST IN AMERICA, VALUES VOTER SUMMIT, WHITE HOUSE DOSSIER, WHITE PRIVILEGE, WORLD NET DAILY, ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE on 20/12/2012 by Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

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I just had to wait for the right time to post this and since tomorrow is the end of the Mayan Long Count I thought it would be an apropos time to mark the end of Conservative political power in the American government with a graphic that says it all.

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The world is very different now.”–President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Inaugural address, 20 January 1961.

Pax Terra!

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POINT-COUNTERPOINT: HOW CONSERVATIVES WILL LIVE IN 2013

Posted in 2012 US ELECTION, FASCISM, FEARSPEAK, FRED SCHWARTZ OPINIONS, GOP MELTDOWN, HOMOPHOBIA, HOW HELL WORKS, IN HINDSIGHT, KOCH BROTHERS, MAINSTREAM MEDIA SHORT ATTENTION SPAN, MARK EDWARD NOONAN, MITT ROMNEY, POINT COUNTERPOINT, POLITICS, PRESIDENT OBAMA, RACE AND POLITICS IN AMERICA, THE GOP GENDER GAP with tags , , , , , on 26/08/2012 by Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

To the some on the political Right in the USA, as a conservative, your future Sunday’s if Barack Obama is reelected looks like this:

In reality, when he is reelected, it will look like this:

What you see up there is the problem. The certainty that their values are the only thing that can save America when what America really needs are people willing to compromise to solve the numerous problems of the day. In a way Mencken is correct when he says “Obama is the worst thing that could have ever happened to America at the best time.” You’ve got to get beyond Fox Nation and the Democratic Underground way of thinking to see the brilliance in that statement.


In Hindsight

It’s easy to scare people, when you tell them that folks who don’t live, love, worship or think as they do will come into power in the coming years, into voting against their interests. It’s even easier to point to those different from you as the problem if you have a large, homogeneous, self righteous base to draw upon that is willing to follow you out of those repeated reasons to fear. I feel I was wrong about this coming election. I don’t think it will be close anymore because more and more independent voters have already made up their minds. Those people like many on the far Left and the far Right are not voting on the economy, or even the direction the country will take; they are voting on issues of class, race and gender. That’s a race that Mitt Romney can’t win.

Pax Terra!

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