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AND NOW BACK TO THE NEWS

Posted in CONSERVATIVE ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM, CONSERVATIVE BIGOTRY, CONSERVATIVE DESPERATION, CONSERVATIVE FEAR, CONSERVATIVE HEADS EXPLODING, CONSERVATIVE HYPOCRISY, CONSERVATIVE IGNORANCE, CONSERVATIVE INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE, CONSERVATIVE LIES, CONSERVATIVE RESISTANCE TO FACT CHECKING, CONSERVATIVE STUPID EMAIL FORWARDS, CONSERVATIVE VIOLENCE, CONSERVATIVES ARE OLD AND DYING AND SCARED, COUNTER-SHAI'TANISM, COUNTER-THEOCRACY, FRED SCHWARTZ OPINIONS, IN HINDSIGHT with tags , , , , , , on 25/02/2015 by Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

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From time to time the bickering, for lack of a better word, with conservatives whether here or at their sites, can be fun. After this last exchange with Tim, Neocon1 and Jeremiah at Views From the Right Side this week I was left feeling a little bitter. I will make this short and sweet. What I get paid to do is verify the information that comes in and package it for our readers. I am a researcher and a journalist that prides himself both on his accomplishments and has learned from his failures.

In this case, I have failed. Not in the meaningless and pointless arguments with people who’s minds will never be changed at their blogs, but you, our readers. The progressive cause is not one that wants to take the rights of people away. On the contrary, Progressives want to use the government and its power and purse to make the lives of Middle Class Americans better. Just listening last night to Senator Elizabeth Warren and representative Elijah Cummings talk about what they want to do to help the bruised, battered and ever shrinking Middle Class gave me more than a little hope. I should be writing editorials about what those who I think have the best solutions to America’s problems; not screaming at the top of my lungs at people who have no grasp upon reality. The stories you should have been glued to over the past few weeks should have been about the alleged “black sites” in Chicago and ever deeper writing about the Mette rape case and the corruption in the South Dakoya Department of Social Services.

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In Hindsight

I will do better for you. In the end you, the young Progressives in America, are the reason why I do this and I apologize for losing sight of the real reason I am here. So, for the record, and since they will never change their minds, turn their back on bigotry, or even ever admit that their political ideology restricts Americans from living their lives in Freedom and with Justice I have this parting commentary. “Enjoy your petty blog comments victories, your self aggrandizement and even your bloviating conservative media icons. If you think you are winning the hearts and minds of young Americans you are more than delusional you are insane. You are the same people who a short five years ago said that same sex marriage would never be legal in a majority of states. Look where we are now with 37 states and the District of Columbia. You are the same voices that shouted epithets at children as they walked to schools decades ago. You, conservatives are the past; Progressives are the future.”

Pax Terra!

Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., CS, O.Q.H [Journ.]
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THE EVENING REPORT: PROGRESSIVES WIN MAJOR BATTLES; CONSERVATIVES CELEBRATE MEANINGLESS “GAINS”

Posted in CONSERVATIVE ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM, CONSERVATIVE BIGOTRY, CONSERVATIVE COWARDICE, CONSERVATIVE DESPERATION, CONSERVATIVE FEAR, CONSERVATIVE HATRED OF BLACKS, CONSERVATIVE HEADS EXPLODING, CONSERVATIVE HYPOCRISY, CONSERVATIVE IGNORANCE, CONSERVATIVE LIES, CONSERVATIVE NEWS, CONSERVATIVE RESISTANCE TO FACT CHECKING, CONSERVATIVE STUPID EMAIL FORWARDS, CONSERVATIVES ARE OLD AND DYING AND SCARED with tags , , , , , on 09/02/2015 by Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H. [Journ.]

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This is something that began to really become a meme after the Democratic party took full control of Congress in 2008. Conservatives have been celebrating minor events like declining ratings for a TV show that they think is too liberal while at the same time declaring that same sex marriage will never get 37 state support from the people or the courts. At that time they said it was a state matter because Conservative love some States’ Rights.

After an appeal to the Federal District Court in Birmingham same sex marriage is now law in Alabama. The Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, Roy S. Moore [you may remember him as the guy who tried to have a five thousand pound statue of the Ten Commandments plopped in the courthouse back in the early 2000s] has takn exception to this ruling. This isn’t a surprise to me because Moore was kicked of the same court over which he now presides in 2003 for, wait for it, failing to comply with rulings.

The Alabama case was appealed, by Moore to the SCOTUS who 7-2 declined to hear the appeal. States’ Rights? Thus, and rightly so, same sex marriages are being performed in the state of Alabama. This despite Moore’s order that they not be performed. Old Roy must have skipped a few civics classes way back in the day.

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In Hindsight

If you are a Progressive and young in America you are about to blessed with a golden age of technology and civil liberty unprecedented in the history of your world. If you are a Conservative and old things are going to get more and more shitty as time goes from your perspective. I get it you are scared of all this change and your social set you were given as an adolescent in the 1950s or 1960s to be a good patriotic American and a good Christian didn’t cover having to deal with all these black and brown people on a level playing field and you didn’t know that gay was anything other than a slur. Trust me I was born in Brooklyn in 1948; I get it. But what I could to as a bisexual kid in 1963 was pick my battles and wait. I waited and the time has finally come that people are being judged by the content of the character not by the color of their skin, their gender identity or their sexual preference. Like my good friend Danny Alvarado used to say in the neighborhood, “Don’t worry about bullets, you hear them, it’s the fucking brick that you never see.”

Pax Terra!

Fredrick Schwartz, D.S.V.J., CS, O.Q.H [Journ.]
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MARK NOONAN’S FIVE FLAWED POINTS ON SAME SEX MARRIAGE

Posted in BIGOTRY, CAVALOR EPTHITH EDITORIALS, CIVIL RIGHTS, CONSERVATIVE ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM, CONSERVATIVE BIGOTRY, CONSERVATIVE FEAR, CONSERVATIVE HYPOCRISY, CONSERVATIVE IGNORANCE, GLBTQ RIGHTS, MARK EDWARD NOONAN, SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE with tags , , , , , on 24/08/2013 by Cavalor Epthith, Esquire, D.S.V.J

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I have struggled quite a bit with this rebuttal because as a member of the Hellac Bar the issue appears to be such a clearly straightforward matter of civil rights that to argue against it causes me to wonder about the mental ability of those that oppose same sex marriage. Mark Noonan begins his explanation on his views of this matter this way:

My views are as follows:

1. Marriage is not a right. It is a privilege assigned by society to some people in order that both our species and our civilization may be effectively propagated in to the next generation. This privilege has heretofore in our society only been assigned to one man and one woman who are of age, not closely related biologically and not encumbered by any previous marital commitment. Whether or not we’ll alter this is not a matter of human rights.

From the outset Noonan devolves into fallacy for marriage is a right and has been held to be so in the United States of America for quite some time just as it is here in Hell. Of course, no one has to take the word of a demon journalist that this is true so I will simply quote the opinion of Chief Justice Earl Warren in the case of Loving v Virginia [ 388 U.S. 1, 1967 ]

The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.

Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,” fundamental to our very existence and survival. Skinner v. Oklahoma,[ 316 U.S. 535, 541 1942 ]. See also Maynard v. Hill, [ 125 U.S. 190 1888 ].

That decision, in the face of all the tidal forces of the times that demanded the races be kept apart from this right for both political and religious reasons, destroys the notion that any of those reasons weight more on the scales of Justice than the rights of the party petitioning. Noonan’s views on this simple fact of civil rights are clouded because he feels his particular brand of morality and religious belief outweighs the constitution of the United States and the decisions of the Supreme Court. They do not and cannot because the United States of America is a nation of laws not a nation that must abide by the religious beliefs of any man, or group of men.

On the alternation of what marriage can be is certainly a matter of Human Rights as it was for the Lovings it will be for same sex couples.

2. Same sex marriage, so called, bears as much resemblance to traditional marriage as plowing a field does to horse racing. They both might have horses involved, but the activities are fundamentally different…the results are not at all the same. Of nature, a traditional marriage will do what marriage is supposed to do – form a socio-biological unit which will naturally produce children and raise them up. Same sex marriage will not of nature do this. Same sex marriage and traditional marriage are not the same thing and to call them the same thing is, to put it bluntly, to lie.

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A bad analogy to start this expose into the beliefs of Mark Noonan. First off, same sex marriage resembles “traditional” marriage exactly with the only difference being that the parties that enter the union happen to be of the same sex. Noonan, a man who married so late in life as not to be able to meet his own definition of marriage is willing to cast himself as a hypocrite in a feeble attempt to seek a moral high ground on the issue and fails. Just recently there was a Time Magazine cover story regarding marriage written by one of my favorite writers Lauren Sandler entitled, “The Childfree Life.” By Noonan’s definitions, by the very words he writes and says are his beliefs, the fundament of marriage is to “naturally produce children and raise them up.” This would disqualify for marriage all couples that cannot have children biologically or like those in Sandler’s article choose not to have children. From this poor, hypocritical, place of reasoning Mark Noonan finally gets to the point of his views why same sex marriage is not really marriage. He calls any such comparisons a lie. Mark Noonan, a man rescued from his own addictions by drowning them in Catholic dogma, has settled it in his heart that a civil right must be a lie because it goes against the teachings of a Church that was his last chance at rescue from a lonely life of masturbating to pornography. I would point out to Mr Noonan that the rights of millions of Americans are more important to me, a demon, than they are to him, a man who took refuge in pornography due to his lack of ability to attract a warm sexually willing partner.

3. The fundamental problem, then, for same-sex marriage as it relates to me is that it is a lie – it is untrue that a same-sex marriage is just the same as a traditional marriage and so assigning to a same-sex union the same benefits we provide to traditional marriage (benefits which cost me, as a member of society) is to force me to be complicit in a lie. While I have lied in my life – being a sinner, you see? – it is not for me to go along with something which I know to be a lie from the get-go. Just because I have done wrong at some points in my life it doesn’t follow that it is ok for me to deliberately do something wrong elsewhere. I cannot agree to legal same-sex marriage because I cannot agree to be untrue.

I find my horns aching at the reading of this. However I am well trained in both Reason and Rhetoric and I will attempt to remain civil in the face of such a farcical attempt to make a basic civil right into a falsehood. For clarification purposes let us take a moment and define just what a lie is.
A lie is defined as, “a false statement made with deliberate attempt to deceive. Something intended or serving to convey a false impression. An inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.” A marriage between two men or two women is not a lie; there is simply nothing false about it and despite Noonan’s anger it is and does exist in his plane of reality just as it does here in Dis. Yes, yes, I get that this is drifting toward religion and Noonan’s personal religious beliefs [which of course he feels are under “attack” because I am writing in-counter to his beliefs and hopefully expressing myself well in a tongue that is not native to me] as he admits that he is a sinner [how gracious!] I still am dumbfounded by why this has anything to do with granting a basic civil right to two consenting adults?

4. The secondary problem for same-sex marriage as it relates to me is that even if I can avoid participating – by act or omission – in the lie, I am still under threat because when a lie is foisted upon the people by government fiat then the only way that lie may be sustained in the long run is by repressive measures. We already see it in Europe and Canada where same sex marriage has been legal for some time: activists seeking to fine and/or jail those members of those societies who dissent from the lie and assert what they believe to be true about same-sex marriage: that it is an inherently disordered action. Same sex marriage was recently legalized in Britain, for instance, with an exemption for churches – they don’t have to perform same sex weddings. But already the activists who managed to get the legalization through are working on forcing churches to perform same-sex weddings. It is very much a slippery slope.

Though he tiptoes around the matter a bit this is about Mark Noonan and those who hold similar religious views are being threatened by the very existence of same sex marriage. many in the middle of the last century in America made similar arguments about interracial marriage. These people are not pious or patriots–they are bigots.

5. Given all of this, I have come to the conclusion that the best course of action is to separate Marriage and State. All State licensing of marriage is to cease – apply the tax benefits accruing to marriage to children (this way, even a same-sex couple with children will obtain the same tax benefits as anyone else with children), but leave marriage entirely alone. This is made an extra strong conviction in me when I realize that the destruction of marriage is my fault – mine and so many Christians like me who for so many years lived as practical pagans. It is no fault of gay people when they want gay marriage after we Christians spent so many years gutting marriage with divorce, adultery, birth control, in-vitro fertilization and other anti-human horrors. Adding an extra bit of zest in this is the final realization that State licensing of marriages is actually a degradation of marriage…calling the transient State to some how “sanctify” what God has joined together. Absurd! Make marriage a legally non-binding activity and there is no grounds for anyone to complain about what particular ceremonies any religion does to solemnize any union, at all. We can all go our separate ways on the matter with no one offending anyone else. An added benefit is that we’ll throw divorce lawyers out of work.

I am nearly at a loss for words after reading this for what feels liken the one hundredth time. There was little thought on the part of Mr Noonan put into the reasoning of this last bit of theocratic nonsense. In my very sensitive ears it sounds like, “If the marriage I gave up pornography for is not seen as special because I say it is a gift given to me by the deity I worship then no one can be married at all!” That sort of “reasoning” is the most absurd bit of blather I have encountered in quite some time.

Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

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POINT-COUNTERPOINT: MITCH AND CLUSTER ON SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND THE CURIOUS NATURE OF AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE HOMOPHOBIA

Posted in CLUSTER, MITCHETHEKID, POINT COUNTERPOINT with tags , , , , , on 05/06/2013 by sarahbloch

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From Mark Noonan’s odd attempt at storming the same sex marriage barricades with the aid of French conservatives MitchEtheKid rings the nell of liberty:

Lets try again.

OK. But ask your fellow conservatives if they do in fact support civil unions. A legal contract that affords same sex couples all of the rights, traditions, privilege’s, heartache and misery of what is understood to be defined by a word: Marriage. It’s a word, a description of a state of being. It is not an absolute nor is it impervious to nuance. There are many advertizements [sic] that use the word marriage in reference to their product(s). A marriage between peanut butter and chocolate. A marriage between mustard and mayonnaise with a hunk of protein in the middle. The argument has now devolved into a defense of a word by applying a singular meaning to it, and a more robust defense of the ambiguity of language is my personal reaction to it.
I am very prejudicial about homosexuality. The very image of it repulses me and I don’t understand some of my male friends being turned on by lipstick lesbians but the spiritual aspect of a loving relationship between same sex couples effects me not one iota and whom am I to dictate what or does not comprise a truly loving, caring relationship. I don’t know the ratio of divorce between hetero and gay couples, but if I were to guess, I’d bet on the side of it being relatively even. I could be wrong though. Gay’s experience allot more social hostility just because they are outside of the norm than hetero couples. And I wholly agree that homosexuality is the exception to the gene pool, but again, so what? For example, Neo is always going on about sodomy. And in this one instance: about the exit being the entrance, I agree but he always omits females. Why is that Neo? Are you that closed minded to exclude women from your equation? It’s just another example of the closed mindedness that the extreme right suffers from when it comes to (no pun intended) a changing definition of; and acceptance thereof, a fluid society that ebbs and flows from what is considered to be normal and what is considered to be deviant. History tells us that the Greeks and Romans were wildly sexual. Do you condemn them or just pass it off with no further investigation? Especially if their historical contributions substantiate your insistence that a religious predicate from ancient times is the bedrock of your political ideology. There’s a conflict boys and girls, and one that can’t be ignored. Ever see (or read) A Clockwork Orange?
Here is a link to an elderly French Citizen who in protest over the acceptance of same sex marriage in France, put a gun in his mouth and blew his skull out. Now I ask you, is he a martyr? A crazy person? Did he think his suicide would alter the course of social history? Be talked about in reverential terms after his death and therefore give him some comfort in his last living moments? No. He was a homophobic who was incapable of addressing his irrational hatred of a changing society and rather than coming to terms with his own being, he chose self inflicted death as an easy alternative. He’s no different than any other coward. Or abortion doctor murderer.
Society has changed, and like Wm F Buckley once said, (and I paraphrase) too many conservatives stand athwart both history and the future yelling stop. It can’t, it won’t and it’s not listening to you,me or anyone else. It just keeps on being on.

As if that weren’t enough to fill your culture wars belly for an evening Cluster [yes that same B4V Cluster] brings in the Baked Alaska in response to Neocon!!

And I gotta tell you neocon, that if you choose to exclude same sex unions from being recognized in any way by the state and not allow them legal rights based on moral grounds, you not only lose that entire voting base, but you lose the voting base of those who are sympathetic to their plight, which is HUGE, and comprises most of the younger generation.

Breitbart adhux autem mortju! [Breitbart is still dead!]

Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

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PRESIDENT OBAMA COMES OUT FOR CIVIL RIGHTS

Posted in 2012 US ELECTION, BIGOTRY, CONSERVATIVE FEAR, CONSERVATIVE IGNORANCE, COUNTER-THEOCRACY, DIANE VALENCEN OPINIONS, FEARSPEAK, FREEDOM, GLBTQ RIGHTS, JUSTICE, OCCUPY DC, OCCUPY WALL STREET, POLITICS, PRESIDENT OBAMA, RACE AND POLITICS IN AMERICA, TEA PARTY, THE MATING HABITS OF CONSERVATIVES, THEOCRACY with tags , , , , , on 11/05/2012 by Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F.

In the same week that North Carolina effectively seceeded from the Union with its retrograde vote to ban marriages between homosexual couples constitutionally President Obama made public his views on same sex marriage. For the first time in US history, a President stated that he supported gay marriage. This is a watershed moment especially since it comes in an election year.

To go on television and state that everyone has a right to marriage equality is a clear and tectonic shift in a country that still to this day has a difficult time with its own character. I was made very proud that I was once an American by the President’s words. Some like Andrew Sullivan was moved to tears because his President had recognized him and the love he has for his partner as equal to anyone else. Sullivan said, in an interview with NPR’s Audie Cornish, “I watched the interview and the tears flooded. There is something about hearing your president affirm your humanity that you don’t know what effect it has until you hear it. And I think of all those gay Americans over the centuries who never heard that, never believed it could happen. And I have to say I’m immensely proud of this president for doing what he did.”

There are those who are dancing in the streets right now I am sure and will continue to dance right up to and beyond the November election. Is this equal to or greater than the Stonewall Riots that launched the gay rights movement in the 1970s? Only time will tell. But let me say this clearly to the tens of millions of TEA Party loving, religious conservative bigots who would never be swayed to vote for President Obama no matter what he did because they perceive him and his politics as either, foreign to their worldview, or the man himself because of his skin color as not qualified to protect their freedoms because of some conspiracy against them that has long eluded the MSM. This is the day that you lost. Your over 400 year reign of tyranny over those in the minority who have sought nothing more than a place at the table is at an end. Enjoy your bashing of President Barack Hussein Obama over the next five years because now he is certain to be reelected.

Not to worry conservatives you will still have Rush Limbaugh [for awhile] and his misogyny, World Net Daily’s rotating screed about birth certificates and all those nasty rumors about President Obama to keep you warm on those fearful nights as America moves forward into the 21st Century. GLBTQ people are Human Beings with the same dreams and sorrows as you and we all deserve the same basic Human Rights and one of those is the right to marry the person we love. In the end it is really that simple. To paraphrase, Bob Dylan, “You don’t need to be a Weatherman to know which way the winds blows.”

Thank you Mr President.

Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

Diane Valencen, D.S.V.J., O.Q.H [Journ.], ArF J., M.F.
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